finally he is gone and things would start to settle down but i have my doubts about all this lets wait and see what happens

and the Lord may bless us all

 

Awareness of terrorism has become part of our daily lives at least most recently through the news. In Pakistan, Iraq and Afghanistan they live it. I have difficulty believing the Pakistani's weren't aware of Bin Ladin's location. However, I do believe they're terrified of the threat of reprisals from Al Quiada against their extended families, wives and children for any involvement, interference or capture of Al Quiada terrorists.

To live in that kind of reality must be horrific.

With the recent Wiki-leaks releases it's clear why a reluctance to co-operate exists. Anything on paper will come back to bite them on the ass in the form of bullets or bombs. There has to be a way of co-operation without identifying the source to give at least some semblance of security and possibly rewards to the informants.

I'm glad we live where we do and not in the volatility of Muslim states.
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there is the one widely circulating picture of his head. i won't attempt to post it up here again in this thread because it might not upload like it did last time.

one questions what has happened here as not necessarily a conspiracy, but a lie.

 

Even though we both speak the same language, it's amazing how there are some subtle differences between American-English and proper English:

They say "sidewalk" we say "pavement"

They say "pants" we say "trousers"

They say "buried at sea" we say "naked and chained to a metal bed frame with a car battery connected to his bollocks whilst being beaten for answers".

 

The reason they aren't showing pictures or video is there's a high probability of his followers and sympathizers becoming even more outraged and seeking revenge.
It's extremely likely there will be retaliation but the number and severity of the reprisals will be dependent on the cause that's supplied to them.

An announcement that he's been killed will outrage a large number of his followers but graphic video and pictures could send thousands of "NEW" followers over the edge. It's better to deal with a small number of fanatics than dealing with an army given yet another cause.
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Sounds good to me. I am really not even interested in asking him any questions. Besides maybe, what should I cut off next?

 

This minor detail I think bothers me more than anything else that's come out yet.

"Bin Laden was unarmed."

If that turns out to be true it looks like they could have captured him instead of killing him.

Which would make me think they didn't want to capture him.

 

I agree with the idea of not inflaming people unnecessarily especially when something else I think is being demonstrated here is most Muslims, even in the middle east, are not extremists. I've seen no protest or reprisals yet over Bin Laden's killing which indicates most Muslims actually didn't give a shit about Ben Laden and Al Qaeda.

As an example within minutes of Martin Luther King being assassinated protests and riots started immediately and spread from coast to coast.

So far no such display for Bin Laden.

 

Lets go fuck us a few hot Muslim women and see if it works.

 

I wont be too worried about it, myself, this was a military action, not a traffic stop for a broken taillight.

 

Bin Laden had become nothing more than an inspirational figurehead to the extremists. Glad he's gone but I feel that all we have done is kick a hornets nest. There may not be huge public outcry in the middle east (that we see) but there is always going to be a list of wannabe's waiting in the wing. From the still frames I've seen, he was hardly living in the lap of luxury. May not have been the "caves" that have been reported...but not all that luxurious. Point is...what was accomplished? Have we won the 'war on terror?' Hardly. Are we still hated? Yup. Are we going to bring the troops home now? Nope. So what was gained beside more political turbulence and kid gloving the issue's with the Muslim populace?

 

Justice.

 

Not if the real objective was to kill him instead of capture him because they didn't want him alive because he knows to much and might talk too much. That's a "hit" Ace pure and simple.

But one thing is the conservative/Republican/Tea Baggers can sure suck it on the charge that President Obama is soft on terrorism and not tough enough for the task.

I agree on everything except kicking the hornets nest and I would have bet my bottom dollar on it before Bin Laden was actually killed. And maybe its because most of the Middle-East is involved in their own battles (for democracy and freedom no less) but I have not seen the reaction I expected at all.

Now don't get me wrong. I fear and expect that Bin Laden's followers and even some extremists will try to hit us and hit us hard for revenge. I don't doubt that a bit. But the hornets nest of Muslim reaction just isn't happening. At least not yet which is even more reason not to inflame them.

That being said I remind myself there are far more questions than answers in my mind and I know its "my guy" in the White House but I'm not sure I trust him on this any more than I trust any president who is conducting some of the nations business in absolute secret.

Much mischief can and does go on behind closed doors.

Or Just Us?

 

I agree to a point. But doesn't justice bring some sort of closure? He hid behind a woman like a bad episode of Scooby Doo, got taken out anyway and thrown over the side of a boat. Now what?

 

.....Shooter decides it's time to set a couple of points straight;
1) Osama was hanging out in the caves along the Paki/Afghani border. SSgt John Davis and Seal leader Thomas Okain, both from Redneck USA had been babysitting him, occasionally leaving him little good night notes, like "Osama sleep well, tomorrow is going to be a very bad day"
2) On orders from higher authority (read Obama) our hero's upped the vigilance enough that Osama decided perhaps better accommodations could be located in a more urban setting. With directions covertly provided by Davis and Okain Osama settled into the compound he was "discovered" at.
3) Judging his popularity to be close to critical implosion, Obama orders the hit on Osama, and leaks through trusted sources that he will not make this a political issue.
4) Obama announces the capture/death of Osama, mentioning that early in his administration he ordered DHS to make the capture or killing of Osama a prime directive. He also mentions that his predecessor, President Bush, had sought out Osama, but had not found him. He curiously gives the last sentence of the pledge of allegiance (One nation indivisible under God .......)as the end of his statement.

The reality is, killing Osama was no longer necessary but it does give Freedom loving people everywhere a warm fuzzy feeling. And pisses off the despots something fierce.

And yeah, I think we knew where Osama was for a long time. Smarter people than Obama realized keeping the fool on ice was better than killing him.

But, I can hardly wait for all the conspiracy theories all the fuzzy folks will be coming up with in a few days, as in;
1) Osama and Obama cooked this deal up and they used a body double, cause Obama knows he's already lost the next election, so he figures he and Osama can try a franchise government operation.
2) Osama wasn't killed. In fact, he never existed. It was all a government plot. Pretty soon we'll see all kinds of "stolen videos" purporting to show Osama being killed that pundits will be able to "conclusively" demonstrate are fakes. Like SEE!! RIGHT THERE!! THAT SEAL HAS A ROCKET STRAPPED TO HIS ASS!! IT'S CLEARLY A FAKE!! or "The reports were that Osama was killed with a 9MM shot to the head fired by a SEAL 9 feet away. Careful measurements of the room prove conclusively that the SEAL could not have been more than 7 feet away, and since that is true, a 9MM head shot would have blown more of Osama's head off. This proves it's ALL A FAKE!! SEND ME MONEY CAUSE NOW THE GOVERNMENT IS AFTER ME FOR EXPOSING THEM.......NO WAIT, IT ISN'T THE GOVERNMENT, IT'S THAT SECRET COUNCIL OF GREEDY BILLIONAIRES WHO REALLY RUN THE WORLD!!
3) We didn't kill Osama. He died of natural causes so to get something out of the whole war on terror Obama rigged a fake killing and conveniently dumped the body in the ocean.
4) Osama was killed, and he was dumped in the ocean, because Obama is a secret terrorist and wants the world's oceans to be polluted to further erode the economy.
5) Osama was killed and his body stuffed in Deep Water Horizon's hole, cause all the new regulations aren't changing a damn thing in terms of safety or environmental protection and in fact the plug BP stuffed in the hole was coming loose. Theoretically, Osama will be so happy to have a place to hide where he doesn't find notes on his pillow he will stubbornly stay in place waiting for his 40 virgins to come get him.
6) Osama had proof Obama was not born in the US and was about to release it so Obama had him killed.

Shooter will now go back to his native planet Xcebia

 

Nope that is not true by the latest statements released by they White House. According to an official revised statement Bin Laden was unarmed, did not use anyone as a human shield, and while Bin Laden's wife was wounded in the leg she survived.

Those are the latest updates I've seen and read.

I actually think the LA Times is at this point repeating what the government told them and the last time I knew you were not all that big of a fan of believing our government. But I am encouraged by your sudden conversion.

That's your question I guess Ace but my question is did those Navy Seals have a choice or were they following direct orders.

Let's look at that for a second. Is there any doubt these guys are dedicated, loyal. and patriotic? I don't think so because their lives were on the line (literally). Is there any doubt they were not disciplined, trained, and extremely effective? Man I don't see how anyone can think that when they got in there killed Bin Laden, got out with his body and didn't suffer a single causality. Could they have gotten out of there with Bin Laden alive if he was unarmed? Well they didn't have any trouble getting out of there with Bin Laden's body when he was dead and it looks like that would be even harder to me so I don't think that was the case.

So if these guys, obviously, and I say proudly, are the best in the world at what they do is there any logical reason why they couldn't get out of there with Bin Laden alive? I sure don't believe that. These Navy Seals were amazing and I would venture to say nearly flawless so the only logical reason I can think of that they didn't get out of there with Bin Laden alive is that is not what they were told to do.

Well I don't agree with all of this Ace, but I have my own suspicions, so let's grant you're right about that. So if that's true President Obama putting a hit on Bin Laden for what ever reasons sure as fuck proves he's no pussy.

 

Didn't the president give a Kill or Capture order... if capturing him is going to be difficult kill him why split hairs on it. Its pretty final and Obama Illegally authorized the operation so... Does it really matter the outcome as long as it came out in our favor?

 

Accept what the government is saying in this case? Are you feeling alright Ace? Or you want to share some of what ever you're smoking?

Well then lets pause here long enough for me to ask you if they were trained in hostage taking how come they didn't take Bin Laden hostage. I think that would be about the same as "capturing" him.

The very thought that bothers me the most even though I know water boarding and torture does not really work and didn't work in this case.

But the intelligence Osama Bin Laden could have provided seems so valuable to you and I why wasn't it valuable to them? Because they either didn't want it or it was the last thing they wanted and I'm betting on the latter.

Fat chance of that Ace and something that makes me secretly laugh every fucking time you conservatives try to claim our government can't do anything right. Bull Fucking Shit on that one. Our government can sure as fuck keep its secrets.

Good and its about time.

Well that's what I'm actually trying to figure out for myself. Was it a kill and/or capture order, or drop that motherfucker the second you get him in your sights order?

There's just a real big difference between those two according to our constitution and normal rule of law.